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2007:

Real Fake Money - Companies becoming rulers of 3D countries

People now regularly buy a "virtual" islands in Second Life for list price 1,675 US$ (up from 1,250$), and auctions generate 100,000 US$ for a spacestation and 26,500 US$ for an island in Entropia.? With some of the inhabitants rent out this real estate, effectively generating a market of land rentals to those who can't afford buying while others create businesses like night and sex clubs. In World of Warcraft, you have people in China mining game gold to be exchanged for "real" money.

Because the game money and land can be directly (there is an exchange rate!) converted to real $$$, Linden Lab and Mindark are able to print money.

Are we going towards Snow Crash? Are these companies becoming the rulers of states? Can we open a casino in those "countries" and enjoy a legal status? Brave new world...

Participants: Eden Shochat, Ilan Greicer, Ron Atazky,.... (can Nic Fulton join - "of course I can - let me know how to stop it clashing with the 'how to look like you know what you are talking about' session..." - BTW - who is running this session?) Cristiana Falcone (ciao!), Lior Katz, Roostam Tiger

Digital Lifestyle Aggregation

Portals 2.0.? Whether it be full featured social networks (which feature blogging and other 'killer app features'), blogging platforms per se, IM aggregation plays, dashboards, or other new kinds of services - its clear that web sites which serve as 'start pages' - have highly evolved and taken on several new 'lives of their own'.? Combining social networking, aggregation, media managementand sharing, blogging and IM creates a rich environment - which end-users have been flocking to - and which will serve as a future model for 'brands' and content players to present 'customer facing user interfaces'.? What are the standards that can inter-connect these new platforms - together?? How can small independent players around the world - stay in business - in the midst of huge companies who wish to dominate?

Lead by: Marc Canter

Participants: Cristiana Falcone__Nic Fulton_______

Unexpected strategies of making money from innovation

(and why patents and secrecy are mostly crap)

 

 

 

What's the use in inventing and innovating, if at the end someone else makes the money? So instead of feeling sorry for yourselves, get some insights on what works and what doesn't, when it comes to protecting your innovations and making money from them.

(and: In Kinnernet 2004-6 I gave you the very popular series on the science of ripping of people, so I thought it was about time to come up with something new...and protect it)

 

Presenter: Yochai Rafaeli (armed with favorite bits of his MBA lecturing arsenal and not so favorite bits of famous historic examples of innovation promises that flopped, and why)

 

Wishing to attend (add your name here): nimrod lehavi, uri baruchin, Erez Chocva, Ittai Golde, Roostam Tiger

 

 

The Tangible Web

Internet plagiarism (weblog posts, CSS design, academic research and even private flickr photos), online phishing fraud and the recent hijack of talkbacks and blogs by corporate PR (now called "splogs") create the impression that Web 2.0 is really a Baudrillard nightmare, all lies and simulacra. But the contra-revolution is already building up. New forces are clearly emerging from the ruins to create a new cultural environment I'll call The Tangible Web. I'll try to demonstrate that Joost, street sticker art, Amazon's Real Name™, tripadvisor users' pics and a future Google project called "Books Online Access" are all early signs of a new trend, whose key words are Authenticity, Human Filterisation, Identity 2.0 and -- yes! -- old media sinergy.

 

Lead by: Dov Alfon. Participants:  <..>  

Neurobiology of Attention and its role in Design

Lead by: Rafael Mizrahi?(GarageGeeks)

Participants (add your name here): Michal Rinott, Erez Chocva, Piven,

Attention is the cognitive process of selectively concentrating on one thing while ignoring other things. We are surrounded by a variety of visuals, such as cinema, TV adds, video games, billboards, internet, and of course physical products.

How does Design can be improved by putting together composition rules and applying them with the perception of attention?

I will demonstrate several researches in the area and present a video show of "the way people look" -
an illustration of human attention while watching videos.

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Between communication & experience: branding & interactive design
The interactive environment presents unique challenges for communicating through experience.
Over the last couple of years, "new paradigm" sites like Flickr and MySpace solve the tensions between brand and interactivity in a new way. A very short introduction followed by an open discussion about the dissolving borders between product, design, experience and communication.

Moderated by: Uri Baruchin

Participants: Jay Meydad , Deb Schultz, Roostam Tiger

How to Build Computer Games on a Computer that You Built
I describe and demo how my students built about 100 interactive games like Tetris, Snake and Pong on computers that they built themselves -- hardware and software -- in one semester.? The games are developed in a high-level Java-like language, yet the environment (an open-ended computer that can be explored and manipulated at any level of detail) lends itself to a wide variety of hacking, tweaking, and experimentation. And this, of course, has a significant educational virtue.

by: Shimon Schocken
Participants: Ittai Golde, ________________?

[Mobile] & [Internet] will they ever meet?

For the past 7 years we have been witnessing 2 intensifying streams going
some what in opposite directions in regards to Web "on the go";
1. Internet players want to become "Mobile" (Cellular speaking)
2. Cellular players want to offer "the Internet" to their users
The attempts of both player groups to try and apply their worlds onto the
realm of the other is creating an undefined battle ground called 'Mobile Internet'
At this discussion we will try to touch some points that relate to both worlds, including;
- Extending Web experiences into the Mobile realm & vise versa.
- Can a user 'Surf the Web' from a 2" - 3" screen? Do they want to?
- All for Free (or at least almost free) Vs. $$$ per data packet/content item.
- Open access Vs. Closed access.
- Bandwidth to go Vs. Web on the go

by: Felix Wunderer, Gilli Cegla

Participants:

Free and Fast Mobile Broadband?

While cellular data plans are still quite expensive, in the last year there has been a growing effort by several start-up companies to provide WiFi-based mobile connectivity at no charge for users. It seems that soon enough we will have an abundance of free connectivity on-the-go.
This new connectivity can change the way we view and interact through the Internet.
The interesting question is what new and exciting applications are possible based on this emerging mobile infrastructure.

In this discussion we will:
- survey the approaches that are used to provide the WiFi-based mobile connectivity.
- have an open discussion on the implications, and
what new applications would be possible in the very near future.

Moderated by: Elad Barkan
Participants: ?

Hate.com

For many years i dream about a site that need to be made to help us reach the unreached personal info that we always wanter like some juicy details about a Boss,teacher,politician,neigbour that will help us to control him/her/them. The solution is here but not ready yet,

by: Yariv Nachshon
Participants: __Nic Fulton - co-creator of (now defunct) DearNSA.com, Ittai Golde

Top 10 Next disruptive innovations:

What will be the next top 10 major disruptive changes/innovations that will occur until 2010 ...

by: Erez Chocva

Participants: Jay Meydad

Here are some candidates:

--> Yellowpages books will disapear as local search sites improve ?

--> Lite apps ( e.g. Google Docs ) will eat into Microsoft Office ?

--> Voip (e.g. skype) will continue to 'eat' PSTN ?

--> Open source? versus proprietary software ?

--> Free411 versus 1$ per call 411

--> $100 laptop versus $1000 laptop

--> blogs on versus online news media sites (e.g. Cnet)

--> Printed Newspapers future ? will they grow or shrink...I think we will go back to rolled pergamena or digital papyrus...scroll down mode: bb style?(by Cristiana)

?--> Collaborative banking? will make you better offers than your bank? (by Tom)

Local Search

Piper Jaffray recently issued a 425 page which states:

Our 2006 Online Media Survey indicated that "local search was the second most popular online service."  ... only email was more popular ...

by: Erez Chocva

Participants:

 

Mobile like never before

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The mobile world is facing turmoil with the introduction of new converged devices such as Apple's iPhone and Rim's Blackberry Pearl.

The first part of the discussion will deal with current trends in the mobile industry (including tips from the 3GSM) and together we will point out the future trends.?

In the second part of the discussion we will learn about new and exciting data-entry technologies available for the mobile market (including demonstrations)

In the last?part of the discussion we?will?divide into groups, each group will?prototype the?future ultimate mobile device.

 

Lead by: Oded Volovitz

Participants: dani vardi, Jay Meydad, Erez Chocva, Avi Shechter,Cristiana Falcone, amnon Dekel, Roostam Tiger

Music Discovery - it's paving the stones for digital music, but how to make it emotional ?

Most of us heard about Pandora, Last.fm, Musicstrands, finetune, iLike, Musicplasma and other services that are bursting each day and present new ways to find new music.

Music Discovery might be the holy grail of digital music - as the 2-way gateway for consumers to explore new artists and extend their playlists, and for artists to get exposure and experience new commerce channels.

The plan is to briefly go over the current methods (Statistical, Social, Music-DNA's, Genre sorting), emphasize some essential aspects why "Music Discovery" is so critical, and quickly turn into an open discussion about new ideas that focus on emotional and intriguing experiences.

The target is to hear as much as personal thoughts and views, and to tickle brainstorming for wild and quirky concepts.

Lead By: Uri Levanon

Participants:

 

 

Advertising on MOBILE 

 

Over 2 billion people have one, they look at it multiple times a day and you can actually know where they are when they use their mobile phone…. The question is: can a mobile phone successfully be used as an advertising channel? Will people tolerate advertising on their personal device? Who would be best positioned to make this happen – operators, software providers, search companies or start-ups?

 

We’ll discuss the reality and hype of mobile advertising, the channels that are showing early success, what this means for start-ups that want to offer their product for free (subsidized by advertising) and have the group find innovative ways to make this happen.

 

Lead by: Nitzan Shaer

Participants: Alon Gal

The Social Web

You're welcome to add topics here. This will be an open discussion with different leads, about the different
and practical aspects of social interactions and user generated content on the web

Derivative Viral Growth – Yael Givon
The pros and cons of riding someone else's tide wave ??or ??how can you enjoy the tide of Skype, YouTube Flickr etc.

PGUC - Passively Generated User Content - Davidi Silberstein
"wisdom of crowds" vs. user generated content

Flickr as a social tool – Yael Givon
How online pictures change the offline social scene

From Pareto to the Long Tail and back – Yaniv Golan
The power of aggregation – from small building blocks to the Eifel Tower

The Arab world is making its move – Idan Feigenbaum
Latest trends in the Arab online world

TalkBack – history, present and future – Amit Jurgenson
How to get your house filled with people by writing three words

Gray Interaction - Maya Lotan

Virtual Worlds as full-emotion communities??- Nic Fulton
How Virtual Worlds and multiplayer games create community beyond that possible with the "flat" web.

The tail of creative ideas - is it long enough? - Roostam Tiger
Can we generate and enhance ideas using a web-based sharing and brainstorming on "underdog" ideas - those ideas we think we will never do anything with?

Did the Web 2.0 phenomena killed creativity – Alon Gal
Long tail of abandoned "Flat" 1-post blogs; "me-too" web 2.0 entities; many copies without an original. 89-10-1. Why and what's next.

Crowdsourcing , Croudfunding and the DIY webs

Tom Sofer

The first collaborative film and bank are already here , what's next? also , will your kid's next harmonica teacher be a retired 65-year-old guy from Texas

Generating ideas upside-down

Not sure whether this is a discussion or a workshop, so putting it in both sections. This is kind of a pilot for an unconventional type of creative process – the reverted one. We will try to inhale a meaning into a randomly generated idea (much like Dilbert's Mission Statement Generator http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/games/career/bin/ms.cgi). I will collect some hot buzzwords (nouns, adverbs, adjectives) from different areas and we will try to interpret some ideas randomly generated in real-time from these buzzwords. Half fun - half brainstorm – be there!

By: Roostam Tiger

Participants: Alon Gal ( can we turn those ideas into actual venture, and can we transform it thru a pyramid-tipping-point-LinkedIn style into a success story. After all, we have all it takes within the Kinnernet kernel social tier)

Other suggested subjects

• Large scale innovation
• Hard core web tech
• The media is the media
• Thinking people, Thinking machines
• Voip and video conferencing
• Faith in user interface
• Online Music
• Online Games
• Changing the net?
• Security and privacy
• P2P Architecture And Infrastructure
• Robots
• Visual Arts
• internet enhanced collaboration
• Wireless communications
• Smart(?) home
• Art and Technology
• E-commerce
• Animation
• Robotics
• The future of online music
• INFRASTRUCTURE
• To chat with him is to know him? Or is it? Virtual versus physic
• The Future of Entertainment
• Cellular content
• User Exprience
• Design
• Privacy
• SPAM and its long term influence on the NET
• Quantum Computing and the societal implications
• GUT - and the even more complicated social implications that it'll contain but no one will have figured out.
• Add here a new category for discussion:

Internet Continents and Why We Need a New Search

Did you ever noticed how different are search results from Google, Live and Yahoo? This is true even for popular search terms like "music" and "movies".
Does people who use Yahoo regulary browse a completely different Internet than the Google Addicts? Or are search engines are the new continents of our world?
How can I search and simply get the best search results? Can a "Google Killer" come from here?

Lead By: Shahar Nechmad

The Peter Pan Foundation

As an Israeli I know very good to what extremes acts of violence people are willing to go. Most extremists are getting to that point because they life offer them no hope. They don’t have anything to dream and wish for. They have no purpose in life. People in this stage are an easy target for extremists’ organizations.

For a long time I have the feeling that we can do more to help people. We can make people become more like Peter Pan – understand how to enjoy life simple things. Fill their hearts with hope and dreams. Understand that if they believe they can fly they will.

I don’t have the answer, but I think that we can use the Internet in some way to help making this a reality.

I’ll be happy to hear your thoughts and brainstorm together how we can help bringing out the Peter Pan in each of us.

Lead By: Shahar Nechmad

Art and Technology in San Francisco and Israel: a report

A Jerusalemite originally, I've lived in San Francisco for about 15 years. I put on machine performances with SRL, share a container and the workshop at The Shipyard, present and MC at Dorkbot, put on workshops a MAKE magazine's Maker Faire, participate in the (original) Power Tool Drag Races, and get supplies at Ace Junkyard. Laughing Squid supports and reports on our events. I'll tell you a bit about all of these, but I want to hear from you too.

What are the parallel groups, people, events, and venues in Israel? Where do you get supplies? Where do you build large projects? Where can you put on shows that are large, extremely loud, and very dangerous? Who helps promote these events? Where do newcomers go to learn how to do this? What mailing lists or event websites cover these?

How can we help each other? How can we promote each other? What can we learn from each other??

Lead By: Michael Shiloh
Participants:

"Reincarnating" vs. "Recycling" our old Gadgets!

What can we do with all the gadgets we used to use? From "recycling" to "reincarnation" of our gadgets!

Have you ever stopped to think how many cell phones and PDAs have you stopped using? Many of them, if not most of them, were in reasonable operational condition when they HAD to be replaced by a newer and better model. Notice, they all had a microprocessor, non-volatile memory, an OS, I/O capabilities (proprietary, IR, BT, mobile/cellular), a rechargeable battery, a microphone, one or more built-in speakers, a graphic display, a simple keyboard, a hand-held form factor. They were pretty powerful gadgets at one point in time, that are now obsolete. Most modern recycling techniques look at using the basic elements of these components and reusing them - but that begins by destroying most of the value inherent in these contraptions while applying a lot of energy in the process.

Join us to discuss much better ways to "recycle" these gadgets. Let's revive them, let's "reincarnate" them.

 

Topics we'll talk about:

• What's the coolest way to "reincarnate" them?
• What's the most effective and realistic way? It won't help if it is uneconomical to do so.
• What "reincarnation" could create a commercial market for them that would increase their value from metal scrap?
• How would we make them condition them for their use (safety, and more)?
• What would it take to pull off such an operation on a global scale (where I estimate over 100,000,000 such devices will be thrown away this year).
• How do we do this with zero or no impact on our planet?

Can we remarket, reincarnate, recreate long-lost value of these? Can we extract more value from them than alternatives? More value than they ever had? … in a past life, I used to be a "cell phone", now I'm a XYZ!!!

Lead by: Tal Givoly

Participants: <your name here> 

How to approach and sell your company to Yahoo/Google/Microsoft

Moderator: Gil Ben-Artzy (Yahoo Corp Dev)

Panel members: Mike Marquez (CBS, ex-Yahoo Corp Dev), Nir Bar-Lev (Google Mobile PM), Anil Hansjee (Google Corp Dev), Barak Shein (Microsoft)

Discussion points:

o       Process of interacting with corporates

o       What the corporates are looking for (technology, talent, etc) current areas of interest

o       Thoughts on Israeli start-ups and their specific challenges

o       Common mistakes & success stories

 The new fundraising ecosystem

Moderator: Simon Levene (Accel)

Panel members: Jason Harinstein (Google Corp Dev) entrepreneur (tbd) VC (tbd)

Discussion points:

o       The entrepreneur’s perspective: pros & cons of fund raising vs. selling out earlier

o       How VCs and corporates can collaborate or co-exist/benefit from each

Ubiquities connectivity at 30,000 feet

You all probably experienced working on the Internet your whole flight and being pretty excited about the ubiquitous connectivity we would soon have, and then, suddenly, all the plane based connectivity faded into history. A commercial failure. A blip. To read more, see my blog entry @ http://talgivoly.blogspot.com/.

In this discussion, we'll brainstorm together how can we make Internet a reality in the planes in the next two years. We'll ask ourselves - what could WE do to make this happen, or what's the winning model for full connectivity at 30,000 feet?

Lead by: Tal Givoly

Participants: All welcome

 

VideoPodCast 

The Uber-Popular GarageGeeks podcast guys will try to record their first, one-shot, video pod-cast.
We'll do it as a panel, with a short piece of the time dedicated to our weekly overview, and the other
piece to QA with the live crowd on Gadgets, Games, The Internet and everything.
We think it will be a blast, and you may get your voice broadcast to all of our Geek Israeli listeners.

 

 

 

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Reflections from 2006: Please add your 2007 topics above!

NEW! Mission Possible from National to International?
This session will focus on how to successfully grow a company and expand into the international arena. Ahlvarsson will share his experience? during the last 7 years and provide insights? and tools that have worked in taking companies international.

Lead By: Ola Ahlvarsson.
Participants: <..>

Real World Stuff
So you are a techie/hippi/etc, but you were always interested in how real stuff works
Face it, you always wanted to know how an engine works, like a real car's engine, or a train's engine, stuff like that. Well I know I do. So I read about it and here I am willing to put it into practice, by trying to explain it to a bunch of people who know nothing about it, and would really like to get the knak on this one.
I will also try to demonstrate a small-scale Stirling-Engine I'm currently building from Cherry-Coke Cans.
Lead By: Ohad Pressman.
Participants: <Shimon Schocken, Erez Chocva. Gadi Shimshon..>

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NEW !!!?? Standarts? In Israeli mega-sites?

Most of the major Israeli websites don't support the W3 standards. I have started a project regarding this issue. I have some ideas on how to change this situation (Prior to concurring and enslaving the world), that I like to share and get your worthy input. I do believe ?that this issue can be addressed from more then the "it's a Firefox vs Explorer geek thingy" perspective.

Lead by: Gadi Shimshon

Participants: Dvir Volk, Jordan Lewinsky, Ido Amin, Yaniv Golan , Ofer Shani

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A world without "barriers"?
Listen, I've just invented a mobile phone with a negligible radioation. You can too!?
Inventing such a phone is essentially a matter of a simple thinking exercise, would you believe it? How can great ideas be born and make it to the real world if they don't have what VCs call "barrier"? Are those good ideas doomed? Postponed? So, what if your great idea can change the Internet? The communication scene?
Lead By: Alon Gal.
Participants: <Ami Kassar...,Erez Chocva,?Ushi Krausz, Yaniv Golan >

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NEW !!!???show me the?trafficccccccc!!?

Sometimes, its not enough to build an amazing site, with brilliant?features and great interface -??if u can't drive traffic into it - all?your work goes down the drain. Almost every web based product/service/tool - needs traffic as humans need air to breath.??This discussion is all about sharing different?views,?ideas and techniques of driving traffic into websites. Among other topics, we'll deal with (feel free to add more topics):

The blogosphere?as a marketing?tool, Technorati,?Social networking marketing, buzz agents

Viral marketing and applications, content syndication, rss

measuring tools, reporting standarts, Google analytics, Alexa, ...

The upsides and downsides of SEM

Do search engines still do the job (in the age of brilliant SEO specialists)?

Lead by: Ofer Shani

Participants: <guys, let's join forces and share our knowledge about this> Noa Bichovsky, Ola Ahlvarsson, Gadi Shimshon, omer malchin

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The internet and the human condition
Attention Management and the desperate information age individual.
The ever expanding influx of information is threatening to drown us. As we surf into the 21st century, we face information overload from an ever expanding list of sources: from main-stream media outlets through blogs, wikis and social networks, to thousands of RSS feeds. How are we supposed to survive? In this session we will discuss attention managers, attention management and attention overload. Or not.
Lead By: Jordan Lewinski.
Participants: Michal Rinott,Cristiana Falcone, Scott Spirit, Yariv Nachshon, Maya Lotan, Ami Kassar, Yael Sahar, Ushi Krausz,Erez Chocva, Neora, Roostam Tiger, Yaniv Golan

• p.s: Jordan. couldn't ressist...the answer called CAP -continuous partial attention (ami).?
  

In the past year, The Internet Vigilantes have become an increasingly apparent force. Ranging from the obvious, such as consumer groups, to the less obvious man-hunts and spam fighting. Since the last Kinnernet, a Korean woman has had her dog poop on subway and refused to clean it up. The ensured, blog-based (wo)man hunt made such a splash around the globe that it got its own wikipedia entry. An Israeli company called Blue Security offers the (highly contorversial ) opportunity to take spam matters into your own hands and spam the spammers in yet another display of Internet Vigilante. Eden Shochat will dissect these examples and open the stage for discussion by:? Yariv Nachshon, David Aronoff

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The decline of broadcast television and the rise?of web-based personalized video delivery?are around the corner. Why settle for unsolicited trash also known as TV?programming when one can pick and play any video contents of one's choosing, any-time, any-place? Come join me in celebrating the eminent demise of conventional TV and cable and speculating about the post-broadcast brave new TV world. Lead By: Shimon Schocken. Participants: nimrodlehavi, Ayelet Yagil, Gil Rimon, Eden Shochat,Cristiana Falcone, Scott Spirit, Mark Bernstein, Ami Kassar, David Aronoff, Yael Sahar, Jonathan Seelig, Ushi Krausz,Erez Chocva,Yariv Nachshon, Nish Bhutani, Yaniv Golan, Ori Birnbaum, Ola Ahlvarsson
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NEW !!!???The Science of Ripping Off?People (or: The Economics of Making Money from People's Ignorance and Irrational Decisions)?
A good product is worthless, advertising can be useless, a brand is a much greater force?once you understand what's behind it.? This lecture will condense Yochai's popular MBA course into one lecture full of high level state-of-the-art economics, MADE EASY.
A revised and improved edition to the lecture from Kinnernet 2004, given again at the audience's request.
Lead By:?Yochai Rafaelli
Participants:? Ohad-P, Gadi Shimshon, Roostam Tiger, Yaniv Golan

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NEW !!!? Why user generated content sucks (and editorial content blows)

• Web2.0(tm) is all about user generated content, communities, blogs and such. Clearly user generated content is partly responsible for the way the web is today. But is the hype justified? and what is the right balance between user generated and editorial content on the web? Can a mainly editorial site even survive?
• Lead by: Dvir Volk
• Participants:?Gadi Shimshon, Lior Katz, Ido Amin, Yaniv Golan , Ofer Shani, Ola Ahlvarsson, omer malchin
  

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The coming disruption of traditional book publishing

The book publishing industry including fiction will soon face disruption like that currently experienced by telcos.? The cost of online distribution is near zero.? Blogs are the new platform for online books (blooks).? Online promotion - especially through the blogosphere - is both cheaper and more effective than traditional publisher promotion.? Amazon will sell the works of any author - self-published or not.? Print-on-demand makes out-of-print obsolete.? The "long tail" is threatening to wag the dog. How will it pay out?? What is happening and what needs to happen? what are the implications?
Lead by: Tom Evslin.?
Participants:nimrodlehavi, Ayelet Yagil, ErezChocva, Scott Spirit, Mark Bernstein, Shimon Schocken, Ami Kassar, Yael Sahar, Ushi Krausz, Neora (pls comment on Muglegim related story (prose)), Yariv Nachshon, Noa Bichovsky,

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Social software

Can Social Software change politics? Taking place a couple of days after the general elections to Israel's 17th parlament, we will discuss the use of the web generally and social-softwere specifically in this zone. What worked and how? What didn't and why? Will the web create an emergent democracy? How is it done in other countries? More than an ideological debate on 'why did the guy I vote for lost/won?' it will be a debate on the role of technology in all of the above.
Lead by: Mushon
Panel Members:
Participants: ErezChocva,Cristiana Falcone, Ami Kassar, mark pincus, Jonathan Seelig, Roostam Tiger, Yaniv Golan, Noa Bichovsky,?Jay Meydad

Virtual worlds and reality addiction

We're all gonna die !!! (and be resurrected in Stormwind)
Online MMOs are better than real life in any way , and i'll prove why...
Also - we're all playing the so-called ultimate virtual game - money™? (and no, money doesnt exist)
Lead by - Ilan Graicer
Extra footage from World of Warcraft (movies to be shown at discussion)
Participants : Yael Sahar?, Ushi Krausz, Neora, Gadi Shimshon, Noa Bichovsky,?Ofer Shani , Ron Atazky,

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Open Source and the Long Tail of Software
How does the now famous Long Tail relate to software, What does Open Source has to do with it and how does the world of computing will look like in 5 10 years - from licenses to services, CORE (Cost Of REcall) value and a world of ends: discuss, explain, think, partcipate.
Lead by:? GBY

Participants: [ Shimon Schocken, ... ]

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• Blogger/.Mac/Zazzle/RSS/(and more...)? - and how they're killing the real internet spirit
• Did the ease of content publishing kill the spirit of innovation?
• How the McInternet (blogger/israblog/flickr Etc.) did affect the gourmet menu of private web sites?
• Are bloggers just a horde of zerglings rushing over our land?
• Is cyberpunk dead
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